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Post by paranormalis50 on Oct 29, 2010 12:16:11 GMT -5
There are about as many theories and explanations of EVP as there are EVP samples. Back when the EVP phenomenon was first discovered, research was pretty carefully conducted. When recorders were used, the cassette tapes were often listened to, blank, out of the package, prior to recording sessions. Tapes that had been in the room where sessions had been conducted earlier, but had been in sealed packages, often contained EVP before ever being placed in a recorder for session purposes, some form of direct imprint. The recorder isn't always necessary. BUT, I would speculate on dimished over-all quantity.
Also, much of the early EVP was gathered using a "Raudive's Box", plugging it into the recorder, no microphone. The box was primarily a short antenna, 4-5 inches, connected to a tightly wound wire coil, and fed through a diode/resistor set up. Got results w/ no microphone here either. Questions had to be written down. Outside noise, human voices, etc., didn't "make the trip". This led to the argument is was all AM radio signals, with the diode being the offending part. The Raudive's box was essentially the same as a crystal radio, except crystal radios, to work as such, need about 50'+ of wire for an antenna.
Alexander McRae, a NASA communications expert/consultant tackled this issue. He went to Spain for about two weeks where there would be many Spanish radio stations, and recorded EVP there for the two weeks, and got another anomaly. NO Spanish, but 100% English. EVP is almost always in the language(s) spoken by the gatherer. This is where the subconscious argument began. That still doesn't explain the "hidden knowledge" aspect of much EVP.
All of Raudive's thousands of EVP's are in the four languages he spoke, but most in his native tongue. So, more mystery. The theory is that if you ask someone something in your native tongue, and the listener doesn't understand the language, or know for a fact that you ARE speaking directly to them, why should they answer? Among others, but that one is simple, and based on human nature. Then, someone points out that EVP isn't always answers, but comments about what is said, THEN, how can you comment about something if you don't know what is said?? It's fun, and promotes the thinking process.
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Post by paranormalis50 on Oct 29, 2010 12:32:42 GMT -5
Additional: books/references
Raudive - "Breakthrough" Peter Bander - "Voices from the Tapes" Alexander McRae - "EVP and Other Dimensions"
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Post by toby on Oct 29, 2010 12:49:53 GMT -5
Wow, that's crazy stuff. Thanks for sharing that and I'll try to get hold of one of those books in the future. Thanks again!
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Post by briankey on Oct 31, 2010 0:28:39 GMT -5
Tell you what Toby, not sure which would be meaner, the wife or the ghost, but consider this, a Ghost you cant fight, now a wife, you piss her off, they usually fall for the candy or flowers, or even a card.
I do agree that the mind is a very powerful thing, and that we only use a small portion of it, trick is trying to figure out how to "Unlock" the rest of the mind.
Over the past week or so, I have had been having some wild dreams, they were filled with Ghosts, its been so bad, and vivid that several times I have woke up reaching up and out for some of the Ghosts that I saw moving around my bed, it looked so real. I went this past Thursday to speak with a Priest, and I started Praying the Rosary before bedtime, and since then I havent had anymore dreams about Ghosts. Just completel Stopped.
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Post by toby on Oct 31, 2010 1:00:44 GMT -5
Damn man, I hope this activity stops for you soon because it seems to be getting out of control. I'm sure someone on the forum could provide you with more assistance if it continues to get worse. Have you ever tried having the house cleansed? As for the wife, she can usually see through my pitiful attempts at sucking up through flowers and cards. She's too clever for that, hahaha!! Since I'm fairly new to studying the paranormal it's question time. Are there any theories out there relating to ghosts altering a persons dreams in order to communicate? Is something like that possible or maybe documented? I'll be researching it myself soon but I'd like to hear from someone on the board who might know a little about it. Ok, so I did some quick research and noticed there are lots of reasons a person my see ghosts in their dreams, ranging from the deceased trying to speak to a person to dealing with internal issues such as fear. I'm curious about my own experiences now, I wonder if my daughter was speaking to "the man" while she was actually awake or if "the man" was communicating to her while she was sleeping.
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Post by paranormalis50 on Oct 31, 2010 11:46:26 GMT -5
Dreams have been spectulated about for about as long as there have been dreams. There have been dream studies conducted in parapsychology in the more recent times. Many involved watching the subject (asleep) until REM movement of the eye set in, then having a distant individual concentrate on sending the image of a particual object to the sleeper. When REM movement ceased, the sleeper was woke up and questioned about dreams, w/o the questioner mentioning the specific object, which in most cases, the questioner did not know. The results were statistically significant. And, of course, between 2 individuals (or more), communication is a two-way process.
SEE: "Dream Telepathy" Ullman/Kripper/Vaughn "Mind to Mind" Warcollier "Experiments in Mental Suggestion" Vasiliev
There three are part of a series "Studies in Consciousness" Hampton Roads Publishing/ All classics in the field, and reasonable costs.
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Post by toby on Oct 31, 2010 11:51:33 GMT -5
You are a wealth of knowledge! Thanks for sharing the book recommendations, I'll be making a list of future purchases.
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Post by paranormalis50 on Oct 31, 2010 12:10:33 GMT -5
If you would like to get a headstart, you could probably get lots of online info by a search on "Maimonides Dream Laboratory", founded about 1962. If I remember correctly, Ullman helped to get this launched.
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Post by briankey on Oct 31, 2010 16:14:32 GMT -5
Well Toby, honestly, Im not really worried about it none, I knew what I was getting into way back in 1996 when I started messing with EVP's, and Cemeteries, since then, for me, and whereever I live, its worse than a Bus Station as far as Spooks that come and go, I aint trying to be funny, but at any given time, I can turn on my Recorder, and get an EVP here in the house, Ive done it while setting here typing a reply to YOU. Ive gotten anywhere from a Kid giggling, and what sounds like a nasty women ordering me to "Come here NOW", actually got that one about 2 months ago as I was setting here watching "Swamp People", just wanted to see who was in my Living room watching TV with me.. Ive gotten one while setting on the camode in the bathroom, that EVP said, "Nasty",, my reply was, "Yeppers, that sure was, now, do me a favor and get out". Sorry, but I tell it like it is, I have no Tac. So, all in all, could I be Haunted?, probably so, could there be spooks that just stop in and hang for awhile?,, I have no doubt.
About "Smudging" or haveing the house blessed, I have thought about it, not done it, I have no doubt that it would work, because I believe the Paranormal has a religious factor involved, but, I think about this, just because you have your place blessed, or cleansed, doesnt necessarily mean they will leave. Sure, it will help guard against negative and demonic entities. I have my faith that helps me out.
For my opinion about Ghosts altering a persons dreams etc. I think it possible, I think its possible they can communicate with you in that manner. I also believe that spirits can affect your mood, bring on sadness, etc.
At this house I spend alot of time in there in Louisiana, it was used as a field Hospital during the Civil War. There have been many times that I have felt sadness to the point of tears when I stood in that house, I didnt bring this on myself, I wasnt feeling sad when I walked up those steps. There have been other times when I felt nausea just walking up the steps of the house, I have spend the past 14 years around this old house, and Ive come to know when Im not welcome there, its the nausea feeling, thats telling me, "No sir, Not tonight Brian". and I respect that, I dont force entry to the place...
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Post by toby on Nov 1, 2010 12:37:56 GMT -5
Sounds like your home has lots of history . . . and visitors. I guess theres no reason to get rid of them if they aren't causing any physical harm to anyone. I know personally I got tired of dreading coming home and the negative feelings I had once I was home. I couldn't rest, it was impossible while we were still dealing with our guest. I'm not afraid of paranormal activity anymore at all but I'd prefer it not make itself known at my house again. That's partly why I'm interested in the researching the paranormal, I'd love to be able to help people deal with the problems they're having and let them know they're not alone.
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Post by briankey on Nov 1, 2010 20:51:46 GMT -5
Nah, this is a newer house, but it doesnt matter how old a house is, you can get haunts in any house. Spooks are everywhere, doesnt matter if their old spooks from 100 years past, or one from yesterdays funeral. You have to think about how many people have died since this nation became a nation. I bet there are millions and millions of earthbound spirits.
If you have negative feelings in your home, put up crosses, have the house blessed.
This is just my opinion, others may have different ones. but, I think alot of Ghost Hunters who want to help People can give a false sense of hope to those families who have a Ghost Problem. Ghost Hunters simply go to a place to verify they have a problem. but I base my opinion on this, no matter what you do, what you say, if a spook doesnt want to leave, theres not much you can do about it. You can ask nicely, and respectfully for the spook to leave, but its ultimately up to them. Now Im sure there are some success stories, but thats probably due to them being asked nicely to leave the home, and they complied. But theres nothing to keep one from coming back.
I dont think spooks ever leave someones home, we all have them, there everywhere Toby, some you hear, some you dont. They come and go and you never know they are there.
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Post by paranormalis50 on Nov 1, 2010 22:08:12 GMT -5
I think that some ghost hunters will go into some homes promising to get a spirit to leave. Personally, I think that's too much of a promise to make, and one that no one can guarantee to keep. On the part of the amatuer hunter, it's often made too "pridefully".
On many of the investigations that I have participated in over the years, and again personally, I believe the NO. 1 question is not really "Is there something happening?", but "Am I crazy?". Sometimes, it takes the client a while to get the real concern out in the open, and some courage to question their own state of mind, and the validity of their perceptions, to someone they just met. This creates a real dilemma, which can only be met with scientific investigations, and the truth, as the investigator believes it, at the time of testing, in the places tested. Even if it takes multiple research efforts. 1. If nothing is found, at the time of testing, in the places tested, the client may feel that the fears of mental imbalance have proven true. 2. If evidence of a presence is found, how will the client react? So, the real job is not "finding something". It's helping the client to cope with whatever is there or not there. If tangible evidence of a basis for false perceptions, such as a high EMF field, infrasound, high positive ion count, or even a loose, banging water pipe, the client can still feel "not crazy". This "not crazy" allows the client to regain control of themselves, their lives, and be a part of the family unit again. Counseling is more important than the best digital recorder, sound analysis program, or the newest K-2 meter. The investigator, armed with a basic knowledge of human needs and psychology, however, should recognize the need, and recommend it, when true professional counseling is the better choice.
The best information that can be given to the normal client is not "I found something!!", but, "No, you aren't crazy". THEN, have a reasonable, logical explanation for the assertation.
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Post by toby on Nov 1, 2010 23:34:20 GMT -5
I misunderstood your post Brian, you mentioned a home that was a hospital during the Civil War and I assumed you were still living there. I'm well aware of the fact spirits can wander into new houses, my house was pretty new when we started to have issues. Tis whole year has been good for us (besides me being deployed haha!) in regards to any strange happenings in the home. It felt different while I was on leave as well, but it was starting to get better before I left. If there is something still in my house it's very quiet and respectful and I'm prefectly fine with that.
I was one of those people worried I may have been crazy at one point and I went around my house trying to figure out what could be causing some of the "activity" my family was experiencing. I wasn't able to debunk much of it but I did figure out a couple things and I felt a little better after that. Some stuff couldn't be debunked, and even though it made me feel uncomfortable at least I knew I wasn't just seeing or hearing things.
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Post by Jennifer-LaSpirits on Nov 21, 2010 1:06:23 GMT -5
Some "ghost hunter's" ( I prefer paranormal investigator) do, imply that false hope, but not all. That is why you have to do your homework first, and find the right group for your need.
I agree with John, sometimes it is all about letting the client know that they aren't crazy. And lots of times, we help the client by finding out the logical reasons for their perceived activity. Once someone, has it in their head, that their house/apt/buisness is haunted, every sound they hear is a ghost. Every picture of dust they have, is a ghost. And soon after, fear quickly grows into panic. The mind is a powerful thing. We have helped many clients, some on the site, some not, by finding the root cause of their problems - which was nothing paranormal, and allowed them to live peacefully in their homes again. A case we had a few years ago, consisted of a house that had documented tradgedies occur there. (that was the base of the emotional roller coaster) Then, the filing cabinet drawer would open, on its own (fear is growing at this time). And when a grandchild would visit, the door of then room that he slept in (which was the room in which the tradgedies took place) would shake violently back and forth and the client would hear music coming from the room. When she would lay on her sofa, her hair would be pulled all the time now. (panic is now in the mindset, and logical thinking completly out of the window). When we were called, the client was ready to move out of the house. On our initial investigation, we were able to explain the filing cabinet drawer easily - the house was not completely level (older house on bricks) and when the drawer wasn't closed completely, it slid back open. We also determined that the hair pulling was the folds in the sofa cushions, It pulled my hair too. But, we were not able to find a reason for what she said would happen when the grandchild would come. So we scheduled another investigation - but with the child present. We put our total focus on the child in the room, but ut of respect, did not place the camera on the child - but took turns in the room waiting. I will say, the air conditioner worked well, and was loud (causing white noise), BUT, the air coming out of the vent was 41 degrees. I measured it, because I was so cold (not from paranormal, just to see for personal knowlege) All of a sudden, the "activity" begins. The crib that the child was in, was too small for him. The floor is not level, so the crib is teetering on 3 legs. The air from the air conditioner was blowing directly on the child, who would now kick back and forth, making the crib move, knocking the floorboard, that would cause the door to shake. Mystery solved. This information helped the client feel safer in their house, and not feel the need to sell and move. We were able to solve her ghost problem, by providing the logical and actual reasons for what was happening.
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Post by toby on Nov 25, 2010 3:14:08 GMT -5
That's how it was for me at first, but I regained my composure and calmed down. It took a while because something like that is hard to deal with when it's happening in your own home. Paranormal activity fascinates me even more now. It's like my initial fear grew into curiosity, and now it's a subject I can't stop learning about.
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Post by paranormalis50 on Nov 25, 2010 18:12:31 GMT -5
It's a fascinating subject, no doubt. We just have to first start w/ explainable science/ misperceptions, and these misperceptions can be difficult to ferret out when it's happening to you, in your home. Sometimes it's something that can be hard to detect, such as infrasound, and sometimes, it's just a door or drawer that will open by itself, and do that many times only under certain cricumstances, as when the air conditioner kicks on, resulting in a series of events causing a baby bed to "move".
We've all had it happen. I think Jenn wil agree w/ me, that when we are on duty, looking into reported in events in the home of another, find phenomena we can't explain is one thing. However, when we as investigators, are in our own home, "off duty", and something happens that we can't explain, even when we kick into "full investigation' mode, the resulting feelings are different. It's not that we don't have feelings for the client, it's just, like the client, we tend to take it more 'personal". It takes adjusting. It's hard to drop the personal feelings to study the phenomena professionally and dispassionately at home. But, it can be quite fascinating.
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Post by ladyellesmere on Feb 28, 2012 12:12:05 GMT -5
i doubt the picture i took was in my head as u put it. That was my first experince, i have yet to take another picture at that time of day again.
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